“Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore,
While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
"'Tis some visitor," I muttered, "tapping at my chamber door
Only this, and nothing more."
-Edger Allen Poe: The raven
I was going to substitute some EVE like meaning to the first paragraph of this classic poem, but as I did so it just felt wrong. So I decided to go with the original text. AS really this post is about my new Battleship hull for ZombiNutz and the fit I’ll be putting to the test in Caldari navy level 4 and 5 missions here shortly.
Yes before all you die hard PvP people start into me about training my fits Battle ship hull on my PvP pilot as the classic Carebear battleship stepping block. There is an ulterior motive here in longer terms a sniper Rokh is all ready sitting in my hanger. While sniper BS fleets are all but a thing of the past, I still think it’s good to be able to field one someday. However for now we are here to talk Raven and more specifically PvE mission boat Raven.
Question one: Passive or Active shield tank?
OK so I’ve flown a drake for most of my mission running career with the Caldari navy. That Drake has ALWAYS been a passive shield tank. As such and due to the somewhat limited variety and script like nature of missions. I have a very good understanding of when the Drake will hold and when I need to pop the scramming rats and bail. Yet I see and read a lot of thought about the Raven being better as an Active shield tank. Active shield tanks typically have more challenges in cap stability and hence become reliant on cap boosters. Honestly the less I need to remember to have in my cargo hold when I undock them better. So I’ll be heading out in a passive shield tank raven for now. I might die a flaming death sitting in my pod with a huge “WTF!?!” surrounded by mocking scram frigate rats and battleships. Yet this is my choice of preference and I need to go with it. (Yes more like a PvP extender fit :) )
Question Two: Torps or Cruise pointy bits?
Easy enough to answer for me, Cruise all the way. More range is NEVER a bad thing in PvE. I’ve all ready bought and researched the 4 Cruise BPOs. Making one’s own ammo is a good thing, but it’s very cost effective with Cruise missiles. I also have decent drone skills, so range is good and the drones pick off the stuff that gets too close.
Question three: target painters, salvages, drone link augmenters?
All right, you might be guessing I’ll be flying a hacked up twisted buffer PvP ish fit for my PvE raven. Right or wrong that’s what I plan to do for at least the first one. Screw salvagers as any chump worth his ISK has a dedicated salvage boat/alt to do that kind of work. Target painters = bigger sig radius = the whole fleet hits more (simple, not factoring in every last chunk of math). Drone link augmenters = drones can fly out where the missiles are hitting. I said it before; Range is NEVER a bad thing in PvE.
OK So the fit:
Honestly at this point I have ideas, and well I don’t like to post “dream” fits until I’ve actually fit them and flown them and can comment on how they do. Sure I could pull an EFT fit out with my skills and post it here, but there are enough EFT gurus out there that do this. I’ll stick to posting what I fly after I bolt it all together over the weekend and get some dents on the paint. Chances are come next week I’ll be fitting an active tank, with Cruise missiles, and salvages. ;)
What do you think?
So this is my take on fitting a raven based on flying a drake in Level 4’s and flying smaller stuff about. I like the ease of use of Passive tanks, I like more range when fighting rats, and I prefer fits for the job at hand and hence bring a second boat along for the cleanup.
However I am speaking as a pure pedant at the moment and well tend to try my ideas either way. Yet only a fool does not listen to the man who has lived the adventure and survived because of a fit. So chances are what I end up flying will will change a few times. Must like when I clued in that an Inv II was a good thing to have on a passive drake over a single resistance mod.
Cheers
EVE SOB
P.S. If you have a PvE OR PvP fit you like for the Raven. Feel free to drop it in the comments.
The problem with passive shield tanks on caldari battleships is that they absorb more incoming damage due to the larger dig radius and lower speed but lack the in build shield recharge of the battlecruiser and the base bonused resistances (excepting the Rokh).
ReplyDeleteWhile it can work (I ran very many level 4s in a passive tanked Rokh) you will find it frustrating in some missions where all the shield points in the world don't last long enough to kill one enemy BS rat (possible slight exaggeration, its been a while). I found active tanks to be better in those high DPS situations for killing more rats between forced warp outs.
YMMV.
I actually can't see your fit but this is what I used for ages, the cap booster works great for those o-shit moments where your cap is running dry but there are still enemies on the field, I eventually upgraded to a Cal-Navy XL, but then shortly after that I got a Golem and went with Torps instead...
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Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
X-Large Shield Booster II
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Photon Scattering Field II
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
I also fit with a implant for launcher CPU use or dropped a BCS to a PDS to make it all fit properly.
@ Logan - No Fit was posted. I got exactly what I was looking for. feed back on my hair brain ideas about passice tanking a raven.
ReplyDelete@ Kirth - I was running level 4's with a raven this week. I was stunned when the pilot needed to bail(warp out). We both had about half the DPS each and I was still holding tank just fine. I actually got it all for a moment before I bailed and was able to tank it all fine until I did warp. Then again I was kiting stuff about and keeping range while the raven was sitting still in the middle of it.
Either way thanks gents. As always great advice. I'll still see how I do with a passive fit, but I'll also fit up an active tank fit.
Cheers
EVE SOB
I forgot to say that I changed out hardeners depending on the mission. There are some good non-injector fits out there, but I liked the injector for rough situations where if you capped out you would die. 2500 missiles, filled the rest with 8-10 cap boosters, salvaged BS wrecks on my way and had next to no problems.
ReplyDeleteI'm not surprised about the other raven having to bail, can never substitute a good pilot for a good fit.
I used this build some time ago and it solo's most level 4 missions. The tank is just a little worse than the active build previously posted but then it puts out a little higher DPS. The cap will run out at some point (depending on your skills) unless you let one of the smaller rats start orbiting at NOS range. Attach your NOS and you're all set for the rest of the mission.
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Damage Control II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
Heavy Nosferatu I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Core Defence Field Purger I
Large Core Defence Field Purger I
Large Core Defence Field Purger I
Hammerhead II x5
-Jarob Talloway
Surely a passive Raven is possible as the comment before mine shows, but you have to gimp the ship damage wise very badly as you need those low slots for tanking modules instead of ballistic control systems.
ReplyDeleteAn active tanked Raven tanks more and puts out more DPS at the same time... for the price that you need to do a bit more than just pressing the "fire all missiles" button.
The reason the passive Drake works so well lies in its Ship bonus of 5% shield resists per lvl wich the Raven has not.
Yes on flying both fits last night. I came to like the Active fit better (once I got a brain and fit the right outbound DPS). I'll post what I am flying latet today. Its pretty close to what Logan posted, but with a few personal tweaks in the highs.
ReplyDeleteThe Navy Scorpion has 5% resist bonus per level. Makes me wounder if this might be a worth wile mission BS hull for a Caldari trained pilot...
Thaks again to all for the feed back. Some times it's good to get some feed back and hence a good reason to try something you might not.
Cheers
EVE SOB